Women are forgetful

Women are forgetful. Period.

I was reading the first article from the May 2006 edition of "Dharuma", when it quoted a verse from the Quran. Here is the English translation:
Al-Baqara (The Cow)
2:282 [...] And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not (at hand) then a man and two women, of such as ye approve as witnesses, so that if the one erreth (through forgetfulness) the other will remember. [...] Translation: M. Picktall


Simply put, two men are reliable witnesses and are void of memory slips. The equivalent of a man is two women. The women, together and only together, are able to serve as the replacement of a man. This is, as is asserted, because women are prone to make mistakes due to their forgetfulness!

But are women really forgetful? Are they really deficient at memory tasks? Are they less reliable than men? Studies show otherwise. For most tasks, women and men perform equally. However, there seems to be a few tasks that one gender outperforms the other. Women are credited to have better verbal episodic memory than men while men excel at remembering visual/spatial information. Here are a few relevant papers listed at PubMed.
- Sex differences in cognition are stable over a 10-year period in adulthood and old age.
- Sex differences favoring women in verbal but not in visuospatial episodic memory.
- Gender differences in episodic memory.

So, are women not be trusted with remembering things? I guess it really depends on what you'd rather believe :-)

Note: Any hint of sarcasm in the article is entirely coincidential :-P

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  1. Simon says:

    I have proof that women have better memory and I'm married to her.

  2. subcorpus says:

    i'm damn sure that women are genetically structured to remember stuff that i dont even wanna remember ...
    i dont wanna remember the birthday of my second cousin twice removed ... but she does ... and reminds me ...
    i do wanna remember when my fav show is on TV ... but she reminds me ...
    i seriously do wanna remember birthdays ... anniversaries and special dates ...
    but she has to text me to remind me ... thats embarassing dho ... hehe ...
    and i seriosuly wish that she'd forget some stuff ... but we r not that lucky ... r we ... hehe ...
    dude ... let me tell u somethig ...
    she remembers ... a lot more than we wud care to admit ...
    she remembers ... (hollow echoing voice) ...

  3. Adam says:

    So, are women not be trusted with remembering things?

    Well, unlike men, women have naturally occuring monthly menstruation periods and some have very painful periods for quiet long time. Some can’t cope with this pain and has to take strong pain killers and are unable to perform their normal duties.. either at home or at work.

    During pregnancy… the hormonal change… I can’t believe how my own wife changed. For 40 weeks… she was a different person, very sensitive, mood swings and often forgetting things she used to remember….

    The above verse clearly equates 1 men to 2 women when it come to "witness"… may be for reason mentioned above… There are other verses in Quran and in prophet’s teaching where men and women are equal in Allah’s sight.

    The verse does not encourage me to think that women are not to be trusted with remembering things…Allah knows the best.

  4. Nadha says:

    Adam, that is her shortcoming. Being able to get a grip of one's emotions and let logic rule is an art, called self-discipline.

    I don't perceive men who put emotions above logic to have a strong character.

    "Silly" in the case of woman and "sissy" in the case of men, aye?

  5. blueminies says:

    I found this article from BBC.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3002946.stm
    Its user contributed information regrading the difference between a man and women. i would also like know in detail what exactly happens for the difference between two sexes.more of scientific proof.

  6. Anonymous says:

    I wonder what the parenthesis around "through forgetfulness" means. Forgetfulness is not mentioned in some translations. Perhaps reading the verse in full would put it closer to the context.

  7. jaa says:

    they ALL mentioned that are prone to err... maybe they get stuck with even realising they are asked to serve as witnesses.

  8. Hamza says:

    It's hilarious to see people trying to rationalize and justify what clearly men (not a higher power) wrote in overly patriarchal societies. Seriously best comedy in the world.

  9. jaa says:

    :-D aww you had to say it so bluntly. i choose a more subtle indirect incursion....

  10. Anonymous says:

    Its equally hilarious to see people passionately expressing what they do not believe, but being at a loss to explain what they do believe. If you quiz an athiest to give you proof of the righteousness of their self indulgence (alcohol, sex, and i-have-the-freedom-to-do-anything-I-want etc), the ensuing arguments to rationalise and justify can be quite comical. It boils down to justifying immoral indulgence. prejudiced and emotional. period.

  11. jaa says:

    a point hit on the nail head. except that in your line of thinking, you expect those notions of rightnouesness that you define and take as being righteous to appear in something that contradict what you believe. you believe in what you believe because you feel its whats right. purely egoistic, utterly emotional.

  12. Anonymous says:

    He has already lost it.

  13. bulhaa says:

    hate to admit this, but im living proof that SOME women are the purrfect picture of forgetfulnes.
    :-)

  14. ......... says:

    Jaa ur on the verge of loosing ur faith , damn ur a hypocrite, u question alot of concepts written in the Quran yet you celebrate most of the festivities (Eid , Ramadhan) Islam is not about applying certain ideas and leaving the rest to dust . U cant do whatever u (as a human being) think its right , if thats the case be an athiest... plain and simple

  15. Chris says:

    Exactly what aspect of Ramadan is festive? The aspect where people in enforced-Islamic societies have the odd feast at luchtimes?

  16. Anonymous says:

    ohh....jaa what u say about the above comment?my thought...Islam teach us to scrutinize and learn everything.even quran can be examined and looked inside.i see nothing wrong with that....or maybe ur really loosing faith?? ;-)

  17. Anonymous says:

    Ouch bulhaa, that knocks down the suggestion that a finite set of selected examples can prove a general proposition.

  18. jaa says:

    when under emotional prejudice - even infinite wont be finite enough. random wont be random enough... ;-)

  19. Anonymous says:

    So you really believe that it does prove the point :S

  20. just a thought says:

    I would alos love to know the exact reason why it is described in the Ayah...But I think there are many Aayah in the Quran, which humanbeings haven't yet found an explanation for. So MAY BE, the reason why 2 women's testimony is equivalent to that of 1 man, is not understood by human beings YET...I hope Zakir Naik would come up with logical explanation soon(Well, if he hasn't yet)


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